Gary Strodders shank 1:46 Tue Feb 13
Your favourite and best West Ham manager since John Lyall
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Billy or Bilic favourites
Pardew best for getting us within minutes of lifting the cup.
I can't have Moyes at the moment and cant have Harry under any circumstances.
None of the our managers have been poached by other clubs I note.
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Side of Ham
5:14 Sun Feb 18
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Lube, look up the word SINCE…..then you’ll realise how shit your wind up attempt is…..
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wd40
5:09 Sun Feb 18
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Moyes then Lyall
Cup winners !
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mallard
5:01 Sun Feb 18
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Curbishley will always be remembered for them 3 consecutive 4-0 losses
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Full Claret Jacket
4:40 Sun Feb 18
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IZola made some very average players like Carlton Cole and Di Michele play some attractive football. He wasnt a good manager but good coach.
Pardew had a couple of decent seasons but his ego meant things went downhill. Probably the most entertaining football though in general. Wingers, proper strikers and young players who had energy and pace.
I know not many liked Curbishley and he was a bit Moyes like. Dour, had his favourites. Hoped Bilic would start a change in fortune after the first season but the lack of professionalism was his downfall. Jobs for the boys with coaching and fitness and it showed. We must have been one of the most unfit teams near the end of his stint.
Grant is easily my worst. Allardyce didnt endear himself but did a job.
Redknapp did get a tune out of players like Di Canio but wasted the money made on selling West Hams amazing youth.
Like most I would have loved to have seen Brooking take the job but understand why he didnt. Would have bee interested in seeing Stuart Pearce have a go but he was a loss when he left as a coach.
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zico
4:11 Sun Feb 18
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GreenStreetPlayer 3:11
Totally agree. After all even he says he learnt a lot from Greenwood and Lyall. I always got the impression he was stabilising things and would have started to go the more exciting route as time went on. Still not sure who made those signings on inflated wages tough, Curbs or Eggert.
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GreenStreetPlayer
3:11 Sun Feb 18
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Zico 10:33
I would have liked to have seen what Curbishley could have done if he had stayed.
For all those managers you mentioned when things went wrong after a good start, Curbishley bucked that trend and had a disastrous start and we only stayed up by the skin of our teeth.
I’m sure the following season we were something like 5th, but then the club sold players and he resigned with a pay out written in his contract.
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Cheezey Bell-End
1:23 Sun Feb 18
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Brooking during his brief caretaker spells.
But for real manager, Redknapp.
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factory seconds
3:23 Sun Feb 18
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anyone putting moyes on their list given how much time he spends shitting on the club you're supposed to support needs talking to.
say what you want about slav as a tactician, but the bloke loved the club. he loved the fans, he loved the history and even if ultimately incapable he just wanted to give us what we wanted.
moyes is the opposite, he talks down the club like we were in league two till he turned up, he tolerates the fans until they stop licking his arse and is ultimately just here to make everyone say "isn't david moyes doing a good job, west ham were nothing till he turned up".
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Pub Bigot
11:52 Sat Feb 17
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Zola for a bit. Played some good football at times before the wheels fell off.
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zico
10:33 Sat Feb 17
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southbankbornnbred 9:29 Sat Feb 17
Oh absolutely, I thought he was a donkey at the time but he was a decent striker but as you say not what we needed. Same with Leroy, did well for us but he wasn't top quality. To be fair we got lucky with Frank and Wardy, they could easily have gone the other way but as you say the board didn't back John when he needed it., I think we were after some top forwards when TC and then Frank left but the board just didn't pay out. Bit like when we were going down under Harry but on that occasion Brown mysteriously found around 5 million for Hartson and Kitson. I suspect Lyall would get the backing now as going down hits you harder financially than it did back in the 70's and 80's.
It's strange how so many West Ham managers have done well to start with and then just fallen off a cliff. Harry's last season was a close run thing, Roeder good first year then it fell apart, Pards nearly winning the Cup then it all went wrong, Zola, Bilic, Pellegrini all the same.
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Fifth Column
9:39 Sat Feb 17
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As a person I liked Bilic. Massive limitations as a manager but someone who understood what fabs wanted and who wanted to play the right way.
The best? Elements of Redknapp, Allardyce, Moyes and Pardew. I can't stand Fat Sam as a bloke but he did what he was asked to do effectively.
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southbankbornnbred
9:29 Sat Feb 17
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Zico,
I hear you, fella. While I don’t blame David Kelly for our relegation in 1989, those statistics about his goalscoring that you rattled off are a bit misleading. Almost all of the goals that you mentioned, he scored in the lower leagues. Even his Newcastle goals were mostly scored in what is now the championship. And his Walsall goals were often scored in the third tier.
He simply wasn’t that good at the highest level. But his time at West Ham was more symptomatic of our failure to replace top-class talent like Cottee and McAvennie with equally good players, due to the parsimonious nature of the board at the time. John Lyall had to wrestle with that almost every year, whereas Moyes has been backed financially by his board.
Moyes isn’t even on the same planet as Lyall (or Greenwood) when it comes to relative achievements and management.
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nychammer
5:35 Sat Feb 17
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Soft spot for the Redknapp years as that's when I was going week in and week out. Bilic first season also a standout
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zico
5:11 Sat Feb 17
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southbankbornnbred 12:52 Sat Feb 17
I think Goddard was bought with the 1980 Cup Win proceeds and I suspect the European run of 76 may have helped with the Parkes purchase.
Back then I suspect you didn't earn much as a non playing sub and teams didn't rotate so when you look back and see Goddard being sold because he couldn't dislodge Tony and Frank whilst it's seems like shooting yourself in the foot now back then it was usual practice.
Kelly gets a lot of stick understandably but he banged in 82 goals in 190 league and cup appearances for Walsall and apparently Bayern wanted him. Was probably a punt similar to us getting Bowen from the lower leagues and some players just don't for a club. 35 goals in 70 games for Newcastle and a decent club career bar West Ham showed he wasn't a bad player.
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Side of Ham
1:29 Sat Feb 17
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Yep in 15 years Lyall had next to no backing and had to rely on his own instincts to find a gem ie: Alan Devonshire OR youth coming through.
Moyes has had the best backing I’ve ever known at West Ham for a manager.
Still he (Moyes) won a two bob cup so it’s ok to carry on with him….and his cowering football.
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southbankbornnbred
12:52 Sat Feb 17
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I love the fact that some people are pointing out that Lyall’s teams got relegated twice.
He was manager for 15 years, some of which were characterised by the club being completely skint (even relatively) compared with now. Anybody who knows the first thing about West Ham will tell you that the relegation in 1989 was down to the board’s failure to invest after the incredible 1986/86 season.
It’s always hard to compare historical eras. But - with the exception of a couple of years under Lyall, when we signed the likes of Parkes and Goddard for “big” money”, and the debt-based Icelandic period of Curbs - no managers in West Ham’s history have had the relative spending power of Moyes and Pellegrini.
We’re now the seventh biggest football club in the UK by revenues. Regularly so. I’d hazard a guess that, before now, we’ve never had a sustained period in which that was the case.
When Lyall had to sell Cottee to Everton for a British record, he was given 25% of the cash to replace him with David Kelly. We’d already flogged McAvennie. Our board back then invited the relegation.
Moyes has not had to deal with that. His record is better than some fans care to admit. But he’s no John Lyall, believe me.
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Lee Trundle
3:43 Fri Feb 16
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At what point does his immunity from all criticism that he's gained from winning the Papa Johns Euro Cup wear off, norwaytips?
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norwaytips
3:36 Fri Feb 16
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Willtell. The thing is, we won it. We also reached the semi finals of the Europa league and are in the last 16 again this year, as well as being in the mix for European qualification for next season. When did that last happen?
Interestingly, the OP says ‘since Lyall’. You do know that he got us relegated twice? I wonder how many fans would support a manager doing that now?
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Willtell
12:13 Fri Feb 16
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norwaytips
There’s a good reason for that mate. The Europa Conference is a new trophy set up in 2020 for upper mid-table teams.
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zico
2:52 Fri Feb 16
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Whilst not knocking Moyes for what he "has" achieved I think West Ham along with the Brighton's and Villas have benefitted from not such a strong Top 6 or so in the last few years. Whilst City, Liverpool and arguably now Arsenal are up there the historical Top four shoe ins of Man United and Chelsea are not what they were so arguably it's been easier for a mid table club to break into that Top 6.
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Iron Duke
1:28 Fri Feb 16
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Last season was even more of a miracle because we were only on 15 points after 19 games. When Pellegrini was sacked, we were on 19 points from 19 games (9 of those were home games). Moyes managed to save us with 20 points from his 19 games (10 at home).
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